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Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
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Author:  Colin North [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
I'm not too bad with a card scraper, but for larger pieces, they are sore on the thumbs and get more than a little warm.
Saw and on a whim (dang TAS), I offered low/won(surprise) on Ebay a virtually unused Veritas scraper plane some time ago, but, as with many people, had trouble getting the hang of making a proper edge/burr on the blade and using it.
I could make dust, or it would just dig in and chatter. Probably why I got it cheap(ish).
After a few tries, had no real success with it, and it spent the last year or so gathering dust or as an expensive weight for odds 'n ends
Finally got it together. Lots of lovely shavings!
Set of sides off the drum sander at 80 grit to 4000 grit in a few minutes instead of several paper changes and much more time, as I've normally gone up though the grits to 180 on a 10-20 unit.
Author:  Michael Lloyd [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:30 pm ]
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It's a great tool but tricky to setup the first time. I had the same issues especially with the edge digging in.

You've given me a great idea to scrape before bending! Well duh!

Thanks,
Author:  SteveSmith [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:15 pm ]
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Nice.
Author:  Tom West [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:41 pm ]
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Another great alternative to the card scraper is the cabinet scraper. Much more easier to use then a card scraper and the results are similar to the scraper plane. They are also cheaper then the scraper plane.
Tom
Author:  meddlingfool [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:43 pm ]
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Still can't get a hook on a scraper.
Author:  Colin North [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:51 pm ]
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Tom, I think you're talking about a Stanley no.80 or similar.
I'd been thinking about pulling the trigger on the Veritas version of that when I saw the Scraper Plane on ebay, offered a bit more than the price of that new, so I didn't do too badly.
But yes, they are a good buy if you want something of that type.
Author:  Colin North [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:00 pm ]
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meddlingfool wrote:
Still can't get a hook on a scraper.

I'd be lost without my card scrapers.
I've been fairly lucky as I was shown a method by an avid user, who hated sharpening with a vengeance.
So he had learnt to quickly put a fairly usable edge/hook on one several times before having to resharpen it.
Author:  wbergman [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:38 pm ]
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Some years ago Richard Brune showed me that you can just run the scraper edge square across a coarse grinding wheel and go straight to scraping--at least for the rough work. He just ran it across the wheel and proceeded to take large scrapings right off the top of his work bench. No hook, no work.
Author:  murrmac [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
Tom West wrote:
Another great alternative to the card scraper is the cabinet scraper. Much more easier to use then a card scraper and the results are similar to the scraper plane. They are also cheaper then the scraper plane.
Tom

I've always felt uncomfortable with the "cabinet scraper" nomenclature.... the terms "cabinet scraper" and "card scraper" are interchangeable in most parts of the world.

The tool you mean would much more accurately be designated as a "scraper spokeshave" ... but that will never happen.
Author:  James Orr [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:49 pm ]
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meddlingfool wrote:
Still can't get a hook on a scraper.


This video demonstrates a pretty good method for prepping scrapers. Skip the first three minutes.


This one's specific to turning the hook. Skip the first minute. I get decent results freehand, but I think they'd be even better with this Veritas jig. It's been on the wish-list for two years.


I don't personally file my old bur because I don't have mill bastard file. My method is quick.

1) Stone the sides on the 1000 grit diamond stone using the ruler trick to remove the bur.
2) Stone the edge to get it true, holding the scraper against something square.
3) Repeat on a 6000 grit or greater polishing stone.
4) Draw the bur and turn it.
Author:  Bri [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
The 80 is okay, but try an 82, put your card in it or use the blade it came with.
Very effective and cheap.
Author:  Bri [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:09 pm ]
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[/quote]
I've always felt uncomfortable with the "cabinet scraper" nomenclature.... the terms "cabinet scraper" and "card scraper" are interchangeable in most parts of the world.

The tool you mean would much more accurately be designated as a "scraper spokeshave" ... but that will never happen.[/quote]

Actually ,Stanley marketed the 80 as a cabinet scraper as does Veritas for their similar version.
Stanley made an 81 which was similar to the 80 but with a rosewood sole and was sold as a fine cabinet scraper.
Author:  murrmac [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:42 am ]
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Bri wrote:
Quote:
I've always felt uncomfortable with the "cabinet scraper" nomenclature.... the terms "cabinet scraper" and "card scraper" are interchangeable in most parts of the world.

The tool you mean would much more accurately be designated as a "scraper spokeshave" ... but that will never happen.


Actually ,Stanley marketed the 80 as a cabinet scraper as does Veritas for their similar version.


Yes, they do indeed ... and LMII market their kerfed linings as " kerfings" .... lexicography is not the strong point of manufacturers as a rule IME ...

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Author:  Colin North [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
Just to further muddy the waters, I thought a Scraper Spokeshave (or a Or Chairmaker's Scraper. Or Gunstock Scraper. Or... ) was more like this.
After all, wouldn't a no.80 be a bit clumsy for shaving a scraping from a spoke? Or is that scraping a shaving?
Author:  B. Howard [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:32 am ]
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Love my #112 scraper plane.
Author:  Bri [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
Too bad no one has ever made a guitar scraper.
Author:  SteveSmith [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:07 am ]
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Bri wrote:
Too bad no one has ever made a guitar scraper.


Scrapers are for wood. Guitars are wood. beehive ;)

There are these which were developed just for instruments, and work very well I might add.
http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Types_of_Tools/Scrapers/StewMac_Ultimate_Scraper.html
Author:  George L [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
That Veritas burnisher was one of my earliest guitar making purchases. It works well for me.
Author:  Colin North [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:27 am ]
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George L wrote:
That Veritas burnisher was one of my earliest guitar making purchases. It works well for me.

It is the Hock burnisher which does it for me.
Slight improvement on my Philips screwdriver, which I used in preference to Glen-Drake Toolworks File/Burnisher, which I disliked.
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:32 am ]
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I have a Lie Nielsen Scraper Plane that I have not gotten the hang of. Please tell us the secret! Save me some time. I too am getting powder and chattering.
Author:  Colin North [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
Maybe Brain Howard will chip in as and he uses it. It is a bit different to the Veritas.
I just followed the sharpening instructions to the letter, and made very tiny adjustments as I increased the blade depth until I started to get the slightest touch on the wood. Tapped the blade sideways if needed to get an even cut (backing off the depth, and approaching it again slowly)
That seemed to be only the top of the sanding ridges, a few hairs, of wood.
Then continued the planing action without increasing the depth any more, and it started to cut actual shavings. Job done.
I did fit a thicker Hock blade, but I've had that in from the start. Also I searched and read several articles on using and improving it.
(As I always say, if all else fails, read the instructions duh )
Author:  Tom West [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Finally got the hang of a scraper plane
Bri wrote:
Too bad no one has ever made a guitar scraper.


Bri: Think that has been done........! Check out Alan Carruth's scraper.........Stew-Mac...!!
Tom
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